SeaMonkey, evdev

SeaMonkey version 1.1.11 will be in 4.1alpha4, and this is the full-blown suite with Mail, News and Addressbook modules.

Lobster, and I think at least one other person, has reported mouse trouble with the 4.1alphas.

I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the 'evdev' module.

Lobster, in your Puppy-with-working-mouse, which I presume is 4.00, is 'evdev' loaded? (run 'lsmod' in a terminal).

p.s. does anyone else hate their laptop keyboard? I have to punch the keys hard on my Acer, and so often I hit the space-bar a bit off-centre and it doesn't register. I always have to read what I typed very carefully, as characters regularly get missed -- certain keys in particular, if I hit them a bit too lightly they don't register. I miss the positive action of a quality keyboard, actually, even a fairly cheap normal keyboard is way better. Or, is it just the way I type, and no one else has a problem?

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 22:24


Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 22:20 by lobster
No 'evdev'
Yes using Puppy 4
No 'evdev'

Glad to hear latest Seamonkey will be available

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 22:31 by BarryK
Re: evdev
Ok, we need to check this out.
Can you boot 4.1alpha3, shutdown and create a 'pup_save' file, reboot and run the BootManager, blacklist 'evdev', reboot again, then..., except that your mouse doesn't work, which makes it hard to do these things, so do it this way:

Boot the CD, with boot parameter 'puppy pfix=nox', then:
# mp /etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG
... and add 'evdev' to the BLACKLIST variable. the file.
# reboot

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:16 by Dougal
Keyboard Trouble
Maybe it's the deprecated keyboard driver? The drivers that were always built into Puppy are deprecated, in favor of the HID stuff.

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:28 by amico
no Barry, it's not the way you type, it's the laptop keyboard's weakness (from my own experience on many laptops, I had to adjust the spring mechanism under the keys each time it became 'deaf'! (don't keep away from your famous screwdriver, it'll be always usefull...)

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:33 by dogone
laptop keyboard
Barry, your Acer may accept a desktop keyboard via the PS2 port. I believe one can also still find PS2 port splitters that permit connection of an external mouse and keyboard via one port.

I use a standard desktop keyboard with my laptop whenever practical. Life's too short to deal with a cranky keyboard.

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:46 by dogone
laptop keyboard
Barry, your Acer should also recognize a USB keyboard and/or mouse. This is a better solution, especially if you don't intend on sharing your desktop keyboard with the Acer.

If your desktop keyboard/mouse are PS2 and you'd like quick access to both computers, consider a "KVM" (keyboard, video, mouse) switch. Flip a switch and you're on the other machine.

I have a very nice Belkin PS3 KVM I'd be happy to donate. A key combo toggles between machines!

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:49 by dogone
laptop keyboard rev3
Very sorry. Please change "PS3" to "PS2" in the above and delete this post. Tnx.

Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 23:50 by 2bob
IBM 42H1292
I salvaged an IBM 42H1292 keyboard that weighs more than my laptop. If you can take the clicking, it's the best!


Posted on 16 Jul 2008, 24:12 by lobster
mp froze
# mp /etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG
... and add 'evdev' to the BLACKLIST variable. the file.
# reboot
OK did that and one time 'mp' locked up (no keyboard input) possible - had to reboot

Wasn't quite sure how to add the BLACLIST variable




Neither of which worked
Mouse locked up in aprox. 10 secs

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 2:50 by ANOSage
Sacre bleu! Out, out damn spot. What prospect of ever seeing the demise of this monstrous carbuncle now?!

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 4:14 by pdh
model m
My Acer 5610 is a great machine otherwise, but the keyboard is Terrible.
I've managed to locate an IBM Model M ps/2 keyboard (at ludicrous expense) and a suitable ps/2<->USB convertor.
Now my tinnitus is worse but my documents need less spellchecking

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 7:17 by kirk
My wife has an Acer 3690. No problem with the keyboard. I've got Dell, no problem with the keyboard. Maybe you can clean it.

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 8:35 by BarryK
Re: blacklist
Sorry, it's actually named SKIPLIST in /etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 9:30 by jabu2
Barry wherever practicable using fullsize keyboard and separate monitor is a proven way to improve productivity. Sep Mon allows viewing at more ergonomic angle to suit your posture. Full keyboard will reduce error rates when keying. Laptop error rates can be 5 times laptop rate.
Less time keying-in = more hermit time :-)

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 10:42 by lobster
Sorry, it's actually named SKIPLIST in /etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG

Ah yes
- did not help either unfortunately . . .
Freeze effects keyboard too. Can not use ctrl + alt + backspace to get to console . . .

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 11:38 by jabu2
Keyboard errors
Correction to previous - should be

Laptop keying error rates can be 5 times *desktop* keyboard rate. Apologies

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 14:15 by ANOSage
Choosing a keboard
Never heard of anyone completely satisfied with a laptop keyboard. Yet another reason to avoid them all - laptops, that is. Those who fell for the pitch can always pick up an old AT keyboard and either swap the plug, swap the cable or use an adapter to PS/2. AT units used to cost as much as 50 and tended to be well built; now they can cost as little as 3 and their construction reflects this. If you have an old IBM clickety-clack version these were sold at a premium - professional typists prefer the audible confirmation of their endeavour as well as the tactile one. Two-finger (no! not those two) hobbyists had the option of a soft touch version, which just about sums up the trade today.

Posted on 17 Jul 2008, 20:33 by JaDy
My Acer Aspire 3100 has that keyboard problem, too.

Posted on 18 Jul 2008, 12:35 by jeffrey
Good keyboard
I've had an IBM Thinkpad 1100 since 2000 and the keyboard is great. I'm not a touch typist, but it's as good as a desktop keyboard as far as I'm concerned.