Eliminate Type1 and most bitmap fonts?

I think that ttuuxxx and kirk have both been down this track. That is, replace most of the Type1 and bitmap fonts with TTF fonts. Objectives: better looking and save space.

I have just done a bit of a search on the forum and can't find this documented. Guys, have you posted anything about this anywhere?
I have a vague memory that ttuuxx sent me something awhile back.

The T2 build has Xorg 7.5, which is working fine. Now, 7.5 is much more TTF-capable, so opportunity is definitely there to remove the older fonts.

The only reservation I have is Ghostscript, that may have some need for Type1 fonts to render some .ps and .eps files.

Posted on 24 Nov 2009, 18:45


Posted on 24 Nov 2009, 19:18 by lobster
font info

font info


Posted on 24 Nov 2009, 23:46 by kirk
The only type1 fonts that I needed were:


I had those type1 fonts in /usr/X11R7/lib/x11/fonts/misc with fonts.alias and fonts.dir. I think I edited fonts.alias by hand, here's the contents:

! $Xorg: fonts.alias,v 1.3 2000/08/21 16:42:31 coskrey Exp $

7x14B -misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1
7x14 -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1

The TTF fonts where in /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF symlinked to /usr/X11R7/lib/x11/fonts/TTF and symlinked to /root/fonts. I made a little script called update-fonts:


cd /usr/share/fonts/default/TTF

And put a ReadMe file that instructs users to drop any additional TTF fonts in this folder and to click on update-fonts.

Those two type1 fonts are needed by rxvt. I didn't notice any printing problems, but I didn't use Xorg 7.4 for long before I went back to 7.3. Xorg should automatically find and use the fonts in those locations. I think Xorg 7.5 is probably the right choice. You'll want to grab 2.6.32 when it comes out, it has the kms stuff for ATI, though that might not matter for your cut-down Xorg. The scheduler gets some problems fixed too.

Posted on 25 Nov 2009, 8:51 by BarryK
Type1 fonts
Thanks very much for the info!

One note: those are not the Type1 fonts, they are bitmap (non-scalable) fonts. The Type1 fonts are at:

and also symlinked from:

Posted on 25 Nov 2009, 8:45 by BarryK
Minimum pcf fonts
It looks like this is the minimum that I can cut the 'misc' folder down to:

7x14-ISO8859-1.pcf #default for xlib, set in root/.Xresources
8x16.pcf #used by yaf-splash, ex usr/sbin/pmount
9x15B-ISO8859-1.pcf #used by yaf-splash in usr/sbin/delayedrun
symb12.pcf #used by xcalc, see etc/X11/app-defaults/Xcalc
helvB12-ISO8859-1.pcf #used by Xclipboard
courR12-ISO8859-1.pcf # "
helvR24-ISO8859-1.pcf #used by Xlock
courB12-ISO8859-1.pcf #'fixed' font that some xlib apps use.
helvR12-ISO8859-1.pcf #'variable' font that some xlib apps use.

Posted on 25 Nov 2009, 9:29 by Raffy
liberation fonts
A good basic set of fonts is the liberation fonts.

Posted on 25 Nov 2009, 11:10 by kirk
Minimum pcf fonts
Sorry, Yes pcf fonts. Didn't use any type1 fonts. The list of fonts you have looks like what I used with xorg 7.3. With 7.4 I only needed the the two I listed, though I don't remember if I tested all of the little xlib apps. With Xorg 7.4 I was letting it auto configure everything except mouse and keyboard.

Posted on 26 Nov 2009, 3:20 by ttuuxxx
Hi Barry the best fonts to use is Liberation fonts, they should replace all your ttf and most of your pcf fonts, The sources are alsways located at https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/
They replace "There are three sets: Sans (a substitute for Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono). "

Those fonts SLackware and many others used to fix the Abiword font issue.

and this is where we talked about it before :)