For 6MB you only get a CLI, but SFS files are available for a GUI and applications.
So far I have only read half way through the forum thread -- and there is so much great stuff contributed by technosaurus.
Regarding the GTK1 apps, I see in some of the snapshots uploaded, the text is not anti-aliased. I was wondering if you guys have experimented with libgdkxft to provide anti-aliased text? I recall back in the Puppy 1.x days, I applied it to Amaya and it worked well, but some apps hated it.
Comments:Posted on 24 Mar 2011, 22:52 by BarryK
I have been looking back through my old notes -- 2004 -- back in the day when we were using GTK 1.2 applications.
I came across various notes about the gdkxft package, that provides anti-aliasing for text rendering. I did limited testing back then:
I seem to recall the problem in Beaver and Bluefish was that the text kept redrawing without previously wiping, causing an effect of it becoming darker and "sploggier", basically looking awful.
But when it did work, it worked well.
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 5:41 by Iguleder
Barry, here's my new distro :)
My init scripts, package management and everything can be found here - that's my "rootfs-skeleton", it's fully modular, unlike Puppy's.
Clean coding style, modularity and simplicity.
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 6:08 by technosaurus
out of all of these, my favorites are:
minimum profit text editor (v 3.X)
tabbed text editor with highlighting
gpsgtk1 version of htop (like pprocess + top)
amayaweb browser and editor
gftp-?.0.18vX.X.19 needs patched to compile
I don't have a dialup account, but I recall some sad people when gkdial went away... and I couldn't come across our patched version of guiTAR ... its impossible to find partly due to its (not-so)clever name
amigo's collection is here:
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 6:26 by GCMartin
There are some really tiny bases out there.
Barry and anyone else; there seems to be an interest in tiny ram systems.
Most things in life get started by some occurance. Is there some thread that started this investigation or some phenomenon in Technology news where I can understand this momentum?
Everything has a beginning for some reason. I'd just like to understand.
For example, HP is about to crash the technology world with a 64GB RAM handheld. PCs are already coming with 4GB of RAM. Knoppix has already begun changing its model. Tovalds is already addressing these paradigm changes with his already public announcements.
Where is this going? If I knew, maybe I could contribute and support you.
Help me ... anyone.
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 19:21 by justauser
look at tinycore,lease
Once again I suggest everyone look at the tinycore distribution. it is 10Mb or so, has X and a nice GUI. Lots of packages can be added from the repository but it has a cloud mode where you load what you need and then don't save. Each boot is very clean. Also boots incredibly fast.
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 20:10 by BarryK
I have trying to collect all the old sources "under one roof". Yes, I do have guiTar:
...the usual username/password.
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 23:33 by mavrothal
TC is not pup
Tiny/Microcore Linux is an outstanding distro for what it does but is not really "tiny". Just starts that way but by the time you make it a full blown system has the same size as any other distro out there.
Its advantage is you do not get things that you do not want, as with other distros . The disadvantage is that if you are not an experienced linux user, you are in trouble.
It is true however that you can easily build an adequate but spartan, system at ~30MB with TC.
So it is of interest to see if this tiny/micro-pup will have something more to offer.
One think will be different for sure. The TC organization is run with an ironclad. Everything form the extension building and repos to the forum are closely audited, monitored and guarded. Puppy on the other hand still has the wild-west mentality :-)
Posted on 25 Mar 2011, 24:48 by BarryK
Re TC is not Pup
Yes, a guiding principle of Puppy development has always been that we try to create a very small live-CD that is usable as-is. Usable for all of the usual tasks that most users would want to do.
Some very tiny Linux distros are not very useful as-is, and you have to install lots of packages to make them useful.
pUPnGO is also not very useful as-is, but their approach as I understand it is to have very easy to load application-combo-packs in the form of SFS files, so it is very easy to become usable.
Our striving to create something smaller has not just started now, it is something that we have been doing ever since the Puppy project started. We would like a usable system that is smaller and faster, for various reasons:
1. The challenge
2. Run well in older PCs slower/less-ram
3. Run even faster in modern PCs.
4. Run totally in RAM in 256MB or less systems.
5. Very easy to download, especially if on dialup
6. ...whatever else you can think of.
Posted on 26 Mar 2011, 5:26 by mavrothal
Re TC is not Pup
Loading applications as sfs *is* the idea behind Tinycore.
The difference I guess is that TC's sfs have dependencies and from 3.x onwards, recursive dependencies.
You could combine an application(s) and the dependencies in a single sfs but then you risk unnecessary duplications.
On the other hand, having a puppy w/o Xorg you go down to ~80MB, remove Goffice you are at 60MB use puppybrowser instead of seamonkey and you are approaching 50MB! And you still have a pretty usable system with the latest flash, multimedia capabilities, scanner, digital camera support etc.
Provide the aforementioned as sfs combined with shinobar's sfs_load on the fly, and you are almost there :-)