SeaMonkey 2.0.13 full suite

Yesterday I compiled SeaMonkey 2.0.13 in Quirky, without the Mail&News component. I also compiled Sylpheed to provide a substitute Mail&News application.

Today I have compiled SeaMonkey 2.0.13 with the Mail&News component. The sizes of the PET packages is very interesting:

SeaMonkey no Mail&News: 9.4MB
Sylpheed: 0.6MB
SeeMonkey full suite: 11.1MB

So, we can save 1.1MB off the live-CD by using the first two. SeaMonkey has to be configured to recognise Sylpheed as an external mail handler. I haven't put that into the SM PET package, as I think it might be different from when we did this before, with the SM 1.x series. Well, we can sort out this detail when I upload the next Quirky.

Admittedly, the full SM Mail&News is superior to Sylpheed, as it is tightly integrated with the browser, and has superior filtering. There is an extra filtering package that can be installed to bolster Sylpheed.
However, I am really not so concerned about a Mail&News application these days, as I personally use online mail and news. I suspect that these days most others do also. So, I will go for saving space, and not choose the full SM suite.

I fixed something in the SM-without-Mail&News PET and re-uploaded it. Here they are:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-quirky/seamonkey20_nomail-2.0.13-q1.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-quirky/seamonkey20_nomail_DEV-2.0.13-q1.pet

And the full suite:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-quirky/seamonkey20-2.0.13-q1.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-quirky/seamonkey20_DEV-2.0.13-q1.pet

These PETs are usable in Quirky, Wary and probably Luci.


Posted on 28 Mar 2011, 21:34


Comments:

Posted on 28 Mar 2011, 23:03 by Terryphi
Not everyone uses web mail
I can't believe most Puppy users use web mail rather than a proper email client. Fortunately, full SM is easily added.


Posted on 28 Mar 2011, 23:08 by Sage
SM & co
SM without Mail&News is a great idea, but most folks on other fora + self prefer Claws rather than Sylpheed, although I am switching back to EudoraOSE1, presently.


Posted on 28 Mar 2011, 23:24 by mave
Compiling in Wary5
Hi Barry,
treid ti compile in Wary5 end got
/usr/lib/gcc/i486-t2-linux-gnu/4.3.4/../../../../i486-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lxpcom

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[8]: *** [libxpautocomplete.so] Error 1
make[8]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla/xpfe/components/autocomplete/src'
make[7]: *** [libs] Error 2
make[7]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla/xpfe/components/autocomplete'
make[6]: *** [libs] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla/xpfe/components'
make[5]: *** [libs] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla/xpfe'
make[4]: *** [libs_tier_toolkit] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla'
make[3]: *** [tier_toolkit] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla'
make[2]: *** [default] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release/mozilla'
make[1]: *** [default] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppyDATA/puppy-system/apps/browser/seamonkey/comm-1.9.1/objdir-sm-release'
make: *** [build] Error 2


...took your .mozconfig from your post on 31 Oct 2010... did you made changes?

mave


Posted on 29 Mar 2011, 2:05 by playdayz
sqlite for lupu
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_packages-quirky/sqlite-3.6.23.1-q1.pet

ttuuxxx discovered this this sqlite makes Barry's SM 2.0.13 run in Lupu-521 RC.


Posted on 29 Mar 2011, 9:33 by BarryK
My .mozconfig
mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/objdir-sm-release

mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite
ac_add_options --enable-application=suite
ac_add_options --enable-system-hunspell
ac_add_options --localstatedir=/var
ac_add_options --sysconfdir=/etc
ac_add_options --prefix=/usr
ac_add_options --host=i486-t2-linux-gnu
ac_add_options --disable-dbus
ac_add_options --disable-accessibility
ac_add_options --with-system-bz2
ac_add_options --disable-updater
ac_add_options --disable-parental-controls
ac_add_options --enable-places
ac_add_options --disable-gnomevfs
ac_add_options --disable-gnomeui
ac_add_options --enable-system-sqlite
ac_add_options --enable-system-cairo
ac_add_options --enable-install-strip
ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg
ac_add_options --with-system-zlib
ac_add_options --enable-static
ac_add_options --enable-storage
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --with-default-mozilla-five-home=/usr/lib/seamonkey
ac_add_options --disable-jsd
ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk2
ac_add_options --enable-chrome-format=flat
ac_add_options --enable-strip
ac_add_options --disable-logging
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --disable-ldap
ac_add_options --disable-mailnews


...change to --enable-mailnews if required.



Posted on 29 Mar 2011, 9:37 by BarryK
SM and Sqlite
Check that you also have cairo >= 1.8.8 in Luci.

Yes, each new SM wants a later version of Sqlite. SM 2.1 series bumps the requirement yet again. That's if you compile against system sqlite library rather than inbuilt.



Posted on 29 Mar 2011, 19:41 by ICPUG
Seamonkey Unique Selling Point
The unique selling point (USP) of Seamonkey was its integrated e-mail, news (and HTML composing) client.

Now you have removed its USP then there is no argument for it in the browser wars discussion. Let slip the fanbois of Opera, Firefox, Dillo, Midori, ...

I appreciate you are still supporting e-mail client with Sylpheed - although you admit it is not as good as full Seamonkey. I make the following comments regarding web mail v. e-mail client for information.

When I was on dial-up I found web mail far less useful than an e-mail client where I could compose mail offline and send and get my mail quickly.

Just because I am not on dial-up any more I do not forget those who are.

Another argument for an e-mail client is that I do not like web mail providers having the ability to mine my e-mails and, more importantly, those from my respondents. Even if I don't care about my privacy I do care about those of my respondents.

Of course, this is not reciprocated. How do I deal with web mailers that respond to me, especially if they use g-mail? Do I just ignore them?

Use of web-mail is another step on the road to satisfying the lowest common denominator.

I don't know the answer to this conundrum. I can take as many steps as I like to protect my privacy but I cannot stop web mailers or facebook users, ... from splurging my info where I don't want it splurged.


Posted on 29 Mar 2011, 20:01 by BarryK
Re USP
ICPUG,
Well, it still has Composer, that is a USP.

SM can be configured so that click on a mail link will open Sylpheed.

Many people have commented in the past that they like Sylpheed. But, I don't have much info on majority opinion on Sylpheed versus SM Mail&News.

Yes, it is true that if you want the full SM, just install the PET and it will overwrite the current one, so you will then have Mail&News.

Well, I'll give the cutdown SM a go in Quirky 1.5, and get feedback on it's merits or otherwise.



Posted on 30 Mar 2011, 2:22 by GCMartin
SM contributions
Barry
I agree with your original integration with SM. Its the right thing for a simple browser with the USP mentioned; not because they are "selling points" but because of its integration.

Email break-out, if that's your intent, ought to be just that "email break-out"; then leave it to the distro user to select whatever email client he chooses as opposed to shoving Sylpheed at the community. In fact, offering several email clients to the user just as we offer several browsers to the user may be a more tactful approach to help the user community.

I would hope that browser selection is based upon requirement as opposed to fashion...but we are all human.

Netscape, then Mozilla, to SeaMonkey has tradition, functionality, speed, service, security and most of all stability. If you still feel its important, run with it. But, SeaMonkey (full version) will NOT be as misunderstood as "2" SeaMonkeys will. (And the community will not need to spend time in resolution or argument)

I do welcome the work in upgrading as you have done. I have been waiting for this as for some reason, I could not get my WARY to upgrade. Your PET has address that. (Thanks!)

These are simply some ideas to consider.

Hope this helps


Posted on 30 Mar 2011, 3:45 by GCMartin
SM contributions
Barry, is it explained somewhere the mission of SM..._DEV...PET files are. Just curious on how and when to use them.

Thanks in advance.


Posted on 30 Mar 2011, 5:10 by session
Mail client
Like ICPUG, I relate to dial-up users and find web apps flaky and oppressive. I am fine with Sylpheed because it has a feature I value in a mail client--speed. I just hope Puppy--Wary, at least--continues to "have all the (local) applications needed for daily use" built in.


Posted on 30 Mar 2011, 9:01 by GCMartin
SM contributions
I know you don't intend to make this addition confusing to us, but, it has already taken its toll. For example, Shinobar believes you are ONLY producing a non-mail SeaMonkey (probably because of your title).

You may want to begin to take some steps to insure everyone understands: V2.0.13 that you have and the upcoming 2.1 which is coming in a couple days.

Hope this helps



Posted on 30 Mar 2011, 16:51 by BarryK
Quirky is experimental
I have to remind what Quirky is -- an experimental distro, to try out various new ideas.